Hi Peter the 90″ talked about was a professional telescope no longer used for that purpose and bookable by amateurs. The other telescopes are amateur ones. I have not heard of anybody in the UK seeing this Having said this of course M87 is a lot higher in the sky for them than it is for us and they have high altitude sites to observe from rather than sea level as we have here. There is a lot of difference with an extra mile of polluted crud on top of you. I suggest that at the next Kelling you try and persuade Andrew with his driven 24″ to have a go.