Thanks for the suggestions. Guiding was doing well as I was watching it, seeing was good when I imaged these two and Im sure they were the right stars as I used sync before moving on to next target. I did wonder about trees so checked height and tree tops but they appeared clear.
i use an Atik camera controlled by Artemis, the telescope runs with Cartes du ciel with a costar for guiding in phd2.
if we get clear skies I’ll try again tonight
kate