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    Denis Buczynski
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    Comet naming question (all in the past)

    In a recent discussion with Carl Hergenrother, ALPO comet

    co-ordinator, about comets 12P and 13P, (both of which

    are in visible from Earth today and both near perihelion)

    there was mention of their respective naming.

    12P is now named Pons-Brooks having first been discovered

    by Louis Pons at Marseille France on the morning of 1812

    July 21. The discovery/recovery of this comet was made by

    William Brooks at Phelps NY USA 1883 September 2.Brooks

    was presumably engaged in one of his many regular sweeps

    at the time searching for comets. The comet was intially

    named 1812 O1 when discovered by Pons and then 1883 R1

    when discovered by Brooks and subsequently renamed as 12P

    Pons-Brooks once the periodic nature of the comet had

    been established.

    13P is named Olbers. It was discovered by H.W.M. Olbers

    at Bremen Germany on 1815 March 6. The discovery/recovery

    of this comet was made by William Brooks Phelps NY USA on

    1887 August 25. Again Brooks was presumably engaged in

    one of his regular sweeps for comet discovery. This comet

    was initially named 1815 E1 after Olbers discovery and

    1887 Q1 when discovered by Brooks. The comet was

    subsequently named 13P Olbers after its periodic nature

    had been established.

    The discovery/recovery circumstances of both comets seem

    similar, so I wonder why, in today’s nomenclature, 12P

    was renamed Pons-Brooks and 13P only named after Olbers?

    A curiosity in the complicated system of comet naming

    protocols.Is there a rational behind the naming of these

    two famous comets?

    Denis Buczynski Secretary BAA Comet Section

    #623403
    Nick James
    Participant

    A response to this question posted on comets-ml pointed to a Cloudy Nights discussion from last month which had a plausible explanation which was that the orbit of 13P was better known than 12P so it was very quickly recognised as a recovery when Brooks found it on the return.

    https://groups.io/g/comets-ml/message/32292
    https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/920186-the-name-of-the-comet-13polbers-problem/#entry13436144

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