23 January 2017 at 11:13 am #573671
I am using MaxIm DL 5 and BASS software.
How do I make a master dark frame ?
Huggins Spectroscopic Observatory UK23 January 2017 at 2:22 pm #577819Robin LeadbeaterParticipant
Take a number of long exposure darks, at least as long as your longest exposure and with the camera at the same temperature. (I normally try to take 20, using cloudy nights)
Median combine them and subtract the master bias (offset) (ISIS for example can do all this for you) The result is the thermal contribution from the camera, which can be scaled to correct any length exposure
This page describes the master images needed for ISIS (In French but Google translates well enough)
and this page (in English) describes how to generate generate them in ISIS
see section 3 – spectral calibration
Robin24 January 2017 at 6:56 am #577820Paul LuckasParticipant
Essentially, you store all of your bias, dark and flat fields in a single location, and then use the Set Calibration dialog in MaxIM DL to manage your calibration files and, optionally, create masters. There are a number of options available in the dialog (feel free to ask specific questions) but little house keeping is required once your library is ‘up and running’ in MaxIM. There’s also a ‘calibration wizard’, but I’ve not used it.
Also, check out the MaxIM help topics under the Help menu. There’s a whole section on image calibration and the use of calibration groups in the ‘Processing Images’ section.
Paul24 January 2017 at 8:01 pm #577824
I think Robin and Paul have covered this off well, but I’ll add and re-iterate a few points. It is worth noting that this is the same process as is used for deep sky imaging. The main difference is that you can’t use “sky flats” or just any kind of flat lamp. Instead you need a flat lamp that produces a nice smooth continuous spectrum. The LHIRESIII, ALPY, and LISA all have such a flat lamp built in.
I’ll add that your calibration frames need to be taken at the same CCD temperature, and this should be as cold as possible, whilst ensuring that your CCD can easily maintain this temperature. I find that my SXVR-H694 can hold -20C during the Summer as well as the Winter months.
Best practice is to take of the order of 20+ frames of each type. I was actually taking a new set of darks and bias frames last night. Long overdue as over time the performance of a CCD can change. I try to retake darks and bias frames every 6-12 months. Flats I retake about once a month if I don’t touch the spectrograph. If I change anything on the spectrograph then the flats have to be retaken. This includes focusing the spectrograph collimator lens, but not refocusing the telescope.
I know that John Paraskeva is writing some new calibration routines for BASS. Though MaxImDL has perfectly good calibration routines which work fine for spectroscopy.
Andy25 January 2017 at 9:26 am #577827
Thank you all for your replies.
The Atik 460 is cooled to -5 c is that OK ?
I will read through the BASS project user guide to see if I can create a master dark frame.
I assume the same procedure applies to flats and that I need to take a set say 10 after each observing run. ?
My Lhires II has a built in flat lamp.
Huggins Spectroscopic Observatory UK25 January 2017 at 6:54 pm #577829
I would just re-emphasize that the author of BASS is re-writing the calibration part of the software. So expect changes to BASS calibration, and I’m not sure where the deficiencies currently lie in the BASS calibration routines. That is why I was suggesting MaxImDL. Once John has finished with the BASS enhancements I am hopeful that will contain useful features.
I usually take a minimum of 20 calibration frames. This reduces the noise when they are combined, which is an unavoidable element of calibration frames.
-5C is OK but if you can go colder then that will reduce the noise in your spectra. Just emphasizing again that the temperature of your CCD when taking the calibration frames must match the temperature when acquiring spectra. So you might need one set of calibration frames at -5C for your older spectra. Then another set at a cooler temperature if your CCD can go colder and hold a stable temperature to within at most a few tenths of a C.
Andy27 January 2017 at 12:41 pm #577838
My understanding of calibration is a neon lamp as I own a Lhires III.
Do you mean John is rewriting BASS calibration to include bias-dark-flat field corrections ?
By calibration frames do you mean bias-dark-flat frames ?
The ccd temp was set to -5 c as told by an experienced amateur consequently all spectra taken so far are at that temperature.
Jack27 January 2017 at 1:06 pm #577839Tony AngelParticipant
Just to add my penny’s worth 🙂 . When I take my darks, flats, flat darks and biases they go into a dated + info directory. For example if I am taking them for the C14 (no focal reducer) using the SBig ST8 then the directory could be 20170126_DFB_C8. This helpful for when I go back to old observations and I want to start from scratch processing them again. I keep all my raw files, all the individual Flats – Darks – Flat Darks – Bias frames, as well the calibrated ones.27 January 2017 at 3:40 pm #577841
Thanks Tony for the housekeeping tips.
I have just bias_dark_flat field corrected my spectrum of p cyg but it won’t open in BASS the following error comes up.
Anybody know how to fix this ?
Jack28 January 2017 at 11:17 am #577850
The error message or screen shot did not get included in your post.
In general terms, if BASS cannot open it then that implies something went wrong with the calibration process. Before moving to ISIS I carried out bias, dark and flat calibration in MaxImDL, followed by spectrum extraction and wavelength calibration in BASS.
Andy30 January 2017 at 2:31 pm #577872
That is what I am trying to do.
I have uploaded the error message for people to look at.
This afternoon I am MaximDL training.
Jack30 January 2017 at 2:35 pm #577873
Error message uploaded.30 January 2017 at 8:33 pm #577878
That error message indicates that crucial FITS header fields are missing. First out I would double check that it is definitely a FITS file which MaxIm DL created, as I know it can save multiple file types. Otherwise I think something odd that has gone on with your bias, dark and flat processing.
Andy30 January 2017 at 9:37 pm #577879
I will check the FITS header fields.
Just checked MaximDL and its definitely a FITS file all saved as .fit files.
The bias dark and flat field processing were followed in accordance with John Blackwells tutorials.
Jack31 January 2017 at 8:51 am #577880Tony AngelParticipant
Check to see what format you are saving the FITS file. 8 bit, 16 bit, 32 bit or IEEE Float. With the first three you can choose between compressed and uncompressed. Some of the programmes I use refuse to recognise any that are not IEEE Float.
Tony.8 February 2017 at 6:48 pm #577933
I will bear that in mind.
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