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I’ve only really measured EW manually but found it very sensitive, particularly in noisy spectra, to deciding exactly where the continuum goes (linear, spline fit, what order to use ? etc) and where the line meets the continuum for the integration limits. How does IRAF do this? In your screenshot it looks like it is fitting gaussians to separate merged line components. ( I remember something similar in SPLAT) Is this part of the EW measurement?
Robin
Yes there are a few 3D printed spectrograph designs floating around, (though none for a high resolution Littrow that I can recall) The current one generating interest on the astronomical_spectroscopy yahoo group is Paul Gerlach’s LOWRES
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/astronomical_spectroscopy/conversations/messages/13914
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2455390
Christian Buil has also been dabbling with 3D printing for his experimental UVEX spectrograph
http://www.spectro-aras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1773
Robin
The spectrograph is just a rectangular box with grating, mirror and doublet lens mounted inside. The ALPY slit is bolted to the box and the ALPY guider and science camera are coupled to the box with T mounts. The slit should be positioned to correspond to the positon in the ALPY (The slit is in same plane as the front face of the guider I believe). The distance from slit to doublet via the mirror and doublet to camera = focal length of the doublet. make position of doublet and science camera adjustable. (Collimate by pointing a camera focused at infinity through the end of the box with the grating removed and adjusting the doublet to give a sharp slit image)
No guarantees, I will leave the detail to you 😉
Robin
EDIT corrected distances (to doublet, not grating) – suggest using LHIRES III dimensions and position of elements
If you are building a high resolution Littrow specifically for monitoring H alpha for Be stars, as the LHIRES was originally designed for, then even the grating holder can be simplified as once set up on H alpha, it can be fixed in position. (I believe Ernst Pollmann originally had a similar setup)
Robin
Hi Tony,
As Bill says (and of course you already know from your ALPY experience), the guider is important. With a bit of ingenuity and machining skills though it should be possible to incorporate the guider and mirror slit from the ALPY into your Littrow design making the grating holder and rotating mechanism the only difficult part. (This is a critical part and has to be designed and manufactured well if unwanted movement is to be a voided)
(I do rather enjoy modifying existing equipment where most of the hard work has already been done and I have vague plans to take the components of an ALPY and turn them into a universal setup with a range of grisms/filters mounted in a filter wheel between the collimator and camera lens, similar to that often seen on professional telescopes.)
Alternatively the mirror slit used in the L200 is still available from the manufacturer Ovio and is significantly cheaper than the Shelyak ones. I will see if I can find the reference.
Robin
Hi Tony
I remember a few early design L200s coming as people upgraded to the LHIRES (The early L200s had some issues, eg no guider, crude adjustable slit). The commercially manufactured version appeared to address those issues and was priced way below the LHIRES but probably too low as the company involved soon pulled out of this area so I am not sure if many were ever delivered. Also the L200 could not reach the higher resolution of the LHIRES using a 2400l/mm grating due to the mechanical design.
If I remember correctly the original LHIRES kit of parts cost around 1500 Euro with two gratings in 2006. The cost of a LHIRES today is much higher and I expect without factoring in your time you could make one cheaper as the commercial price includes the assembly costs and there have been various improvements made over the original design and of course it has to carry its share of the costs of running a sustainable business and future developments. (AFAIK Francois and Olivier are not sailing big yachts and driving around in Ferrari’s!)
Cheers
Robin
Hi Tony,
I dont know anyone who has built a replica LHIRES III from scratch but Ken Harrison’s L200 which was also available as a kit initially and then was briefly offered commercially has a lot in common with the LHIRES design.
The history of the LHIRES is an interesting one and explains why the full details are available.
It came out of a pro-am conference in France where the usefulness of amateur measurements of Be stars was discussed. A spectrograph with higher resolution than was currently available to amateurs would be needed though. An amateur team (Including Christian Buil, Francois Cochard, Olivier Thizy and many others) got together to design one and in 2006 arranged for the manufacture of a kit of parts on a not for profit basis though the Aude amateur astronomy group. They expected to make perhaps a dozen but got orders for over 70 ! (I have kit #29). Requests for the kit kept coming in after the first batch so Francois Cochard and Olivier Thizy formed Shelyak Instruments to make it commercially and the rest as they say is history.
Robin
Hi Tony,
The LHIRES III is fully documented if you fancy machining the parts
http://www.astrosurf.com/thizy/lhires3/index-en.html
Robin
Nice image David. (I had to put the waterproof on to put the bins out tonight over on this side of the country !) Definitely much brighter than on Saturday. If it is a normal Ia and ignoring any extinction in the host galaxy it could theoretically top out around mag 12.8 at this distance.
Robin
Thanks Andrew,
I have got a bit of a routine going now. There are plenty of potential targets at the moment but with no prospect of any clear skies. I just tend to go after them every now and then but I reckon a dedicated setup from a decent site could perhaps bag a hundred or more a year and the ALPY would be a nice instrument to automate.
Hi Peter,
I agree with Andy. The multiple images of the zero order means there is movement between the individual images. This is normal in unguided images. When stacking unguided images you need to align them to remove blurring due to drift. ISIS has a tool for doing the alignment (“Tools”, “Image Processing 3”, “Register”) But with the Star Analyser, the various programs that are typically used by the planetary imagers are more commonly used to produce an aligned and stacked image before extracting the spectrum. (You can use the zero order for the program to lock onto)
These programs also allow you to select the sharpest images and just align stack these which is another trick we can borrow from the planetary imagers to get a sharp noise free image when using the Star Analyser.
How much improvement stacking gives depends on the noise in a single exposure. In this case the features are already clear in a single exposure so stacking may not make that much difference.
Cheers
Robin
EDIT:- just seen John’s post which came in while I was typing. Two techniques to try in ISIS 🙂
Each part of this project is a signficant accomplishment. The whole must be unparalleled in spectroscopy at an amateur level.
I take my hat off to you sir!
North West Cumbria. Clear skies are like hen’s teeth around here and once again have coincided with near full moon 🙁
I did not notice any aurora visually, though there was a photo on the local weather showing it low in the north. The spectrograph is very sensitive to this line though which is always present at a background level even when there is no aurora.
Robin
Hi Nick,
It is not something I follow but I think bright ones away from the galactic centre are very rare. (I remember the 2006 event in Cassiopeia was a big surprise to everyone).
There are surveys looking for them in the galactic bulge which are followed up by amateurs through the MicroFun project
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~microfun/
Cheers
Robin
It looks like it has hit peak brightness and (barring any kicks from exoplanets) is now on its way back down
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~assassin/followup/TCPJ05074264_2447555.pdf
My estimated F5v spectral classification is confirmed by a high resolution spectrumCheersRobin
Here is the spectrum (ALPY 600 at R~500) measured last night, shown in blue. The features match those of an F star (F5v shown in red) but the continuum is significantly redder (smoothed ratio of measured/ Pickles f5v in green)The full size version is in the attachment
Cheers
Robin
Hi Nick, (and Nick)
Indeed. I took a spectrum last night and thought similar eyeballing the guider image. Not the anticipated steepening climb. David Boyd reported it steady at Vmag 11.50 last night so only slightly brighter than the last point on the ASAS-SN light curve.
Robin
Hi John,
If specifically for an ALPY then as Paul says, the 414 is a good choice. Be aware though that the 414 is best avoided if you think you might want to use it at high resolution with a LHIRES for example where severe (cover glass originating) fringes can be produced with cameras using this CCD. (Strangely the earlier generation 314 did not have this problem) The 460 (and its smaller brother the 428) is free of fringes at high resolution but does show some waves in the spectral response at low resolution (due to the CCD internal layers) with the ALPY, though these are not severe (still better than the Kodak KAF CCD for example in this respect) and are effectively dealt with by the flat correction.
Cheers
Robin
