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26 December 2018 at 3:37 pm in reply to: Did Aboriginal Australians Discover the Variability of Betelgeuse? #580439
Grant Privett
ParticipantDid they also record changes in Mira? You would think that if they are paying attention that closely then they should have.
Grant Privett
ParticipantIt says Henry Hatfield contributed observations. Would this be to the defunct BAA Section associated with artificial satellites, do you think?
Grant Privett
ParticipantNot arguing against DAOPHOT at all as I use it as part of a processing pipeline I have too.
Wouldnt say DAOPHOT is any more unfriendly than any other, merely that IRAF can be poorly documented and debugged. I find Starlink more robust, but as I wrote some of it, I would say that.
Grant Privett
ParticipantThere is a version of DAOPHOT available for Python too – I always found IRAF as user friendly as a punch in the mouth and poorly debugged. The Python DAOPHOT seems to work okay for me. The major difference over the Fortran version is that it doesnt handle a bad pixel mask. Execution times similar (having no bad pixels to worrry about makes life lots easier).
I must admit I was under the impression DAOPHOT assumes a Gaussian profile so it can get unhappy with distorted images – theres a parameter for limiting how eccentric it will tolerate.
I did a quick study a year or two back and looked at Source Extractor, PISA and DAOPHOT. Each had its quirks. DAOPHOT was primarely aimed at stars while Source Extractor and PISA could do both stars and galaxy photometry. Source Extractor was very good but the documentation a little incomplete and PISA was by far the most memory efficient. When the source was star shaped they all did similarly in terms of the detections, but Source Extractor could use the WCS (I don’t think PISA did, but I might be wrong). Bottom line was they all had efficient detection approaches and if you already had code to handle the pixel space coordinate to Ra/Dec conversion, each was well worth having.
Grant Privett
ParticipantThanks for the headsup.
Grant Privett
ParticipantSource Extractor is available under Linux – and also in a limited form (no WCS support) under Windows. Would that or IRAF/Starlink be of any use for initial data extraction?
Grant Privett
ParticipantWhat sort of brightness are we thinking?
Tuesday morning is looking clear here….
Grant Privett
Participantis there any chance the meeting will be recorded? I may be working that day…
I seem to have a knack for that.
Grant Privett
ParticipantIt was a little hazy near Salisbury in Wiltshire but Astrometry.net is down so I am not sure which star is which. Will have a look later today. And with a 4×4 binned Starlight 694 doing the imaging I’ve only one image every 3 seconds. It was a chilly night.
Late addendum: From my location near Salisbury duration at least 191905.2-191908.0
Exposure 191855.0 – 191855.2 36593counts 178snr
Exposure 191858.0 – 191858.2 36114counts 176snr
Exposure 191902.0 – 191902.2 34820counts 170snr
Exposure 191905.0 – 191905.2 14824counts 78snr
Exposure 191908.0 – 191908.2 13304counts 69snr
Exposure 191911.0 – 191911.2 37475counts 181snr
Exposure 191914.0 – 191914.2 38728counts 187snr
Grant Privett
ParticipantWith UK seeing being of the order of 3 arc secs its traditional to have pixels half that ie 1.5 arc sec across. The main worry I would have would be the vignetting, but if the flats are good and the guiding good then I don’t see it as a serious problem. I use a Celestron RASA and like the images that provides. Used with a Trius 694 it gives good clean results.
The only thing I have heard against hyperstars is the fun and games of collimating them, but for photometry rather that pretty pictures thats not a huge issue.
Do let us see some results…
Grant Privett
ParticipantI’m curious, why do you think it would be any worse than anything else? Theres possibly significant vignetting at the field edge and you ideally want a sensor where the pixels arent grossly undersampled, but otherwise its business as usual. 🙂
Grant Privett
ParticipantAny chance you could post examples from those corners please?
Perhaps the lens I borrowed previously was an outlier i.e. unusually good? In that the distortion was about 25% of the extent I found with my lens.
Grant Privett
ParticipantCould you post some excerpts from the corners please so we can compare?
Also, is it symmetric? Are all 4 corners similarly distorted?
Grant Privett
ParticipantGo to some observing meetings from your local society – they are not experts, they are ordinary people like you and me and are normally more than willing to show you what they do when they set up. It can’t be difficult or we wouldnt all be doing it.
Alternatively, if you have the means, a Meade LS scope does the trick. Place on level(ish) ground with a decent view of the sky, plug it in, make coffee, come back, start observing. It fails about 1 in 10 times.
No wizardry required. I borrowed one for 6 months and had a great time.
But long term, its better to learn than spend money up front.
10 August 2018 at 2:24 pm in reply to: Did Aboriginal Australians Discover the Variability of Betelgeuse? #579857Grant Privett
ParticipantI’m curious. I know that like the Hawaiians the Australians relied on oral history rather than written records, but I have no idea where they stood with regard number systems and calendars? Presumably they spotted variation but didnt record the period? Have I got that right?
Grant Privett
ParticipantThe way of the world…
Sent to me by another astronomer.
Grant Privett
ParticipantYes, saw there was a lot of lightning over that way. Its all around Norwich now.
Still no breaks here. Think I’m out of luck again.
Grant Privett
Participant27 movies that fast? Heroic!
Grant Privett
ParticipantIs that one of the USB 1.1 cameras?
Grant Privett
ParticipantI must admit, the exo-biology argument didnt work for me either.
Isnt detecting or monitoring an exo-planet pretty much the same as an eclipsing binary – albeit an extreme case?
Would have thought it could live quite happily as a subsection of the VSS until it proves its longevity. Theres no reason progamme stars couldnt be chosen by the members or head of the subsection surely?
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