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Topic: ALPY 600 limiting magnitude
For anyone intersted in purchasing the ALPY 600 I thought I would pull out the limiting magnitude figures. These are Christian Buil’s calculated figures, which seem to be matched in practise.
Note that a spectrum with 10 signal/noise ratio is pretty noisy but still useful for identifying features for identification of transients for example. SNR is roughly proportional to sqrt of the signal (neglecting camera and sky noise) so a low noise spectrum at say 100 SNR, sufficient for quantitative measurements to a few percent precision would need ~100x more signal or 5 magnitudes
Cheers
Robin
From http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/alpy600/performances.htm
Magnitude V limit reached is based on a star of spectral A0V type, a signal to noise ratio of 10 (by FWHM) and a 1 hour integration time divided into 6-up 600 seconds each. The seeing is assumed to be 3 arc seconds. The camera is an Atik460EX model used in 2×2 binning (pixel binned 9.08 microns). Guiding module with slot 23 microns. The star is at the zenith. The observatory is located at sea level, but with a dark sky (magnitude 6.0 visual boundary to the naked eye).
Telescope
S / N 10 @ 650 nm
S / N 10 @ 450 nm
Refractor 85 mm f / 5.3
12.9
14.3
Refractor 106 mm f / 5.0
13.4
14.8
Newton CN212 (D = 212 mm f / 3.9)
14.8
16.2
Schmidt-Cassegrain 8-inch f / 10 14.3
15.7
Schmidt-Cassegrain 8-inch f / 6.4 14.6
16.0
Schmidt-Cassegrain 11-inch f / 10 14.8
16.2
Schmidt-Cassegrain 11-inch f / 6.4 15.1
16.5
Schmidt-Cassegrain 14 inches f / 6.4 15.4
16.8
Newton D = 940 mm f / 4 17.0
18.4
The following is a copy of the article in the April BAA Journal about this initiative. It contains live links to save you typing in the links printed in the Journal.
Spectroscopy is now a practical possibility for amateur astronomers motivated to produce scientifically useful observations. The BAA is therefore launching an initiative aimed at helping members wishing to move into spectroscopy to acquire some of the necessary equipment. Spectrographs intended for amateur use are now available commercially and after considering those currently on the market we have decided to assist members to purchase a grism-based Alpy 600 spectrograph from the European company Shelyak. This is a mature product with several dozen already in the hands of amateurs in Europe and the US who are using it to produce spectra of real scientific value. The Alpy is compact, lightweight and relatively straightforward to use, and software to analyse the data it produces is freely available.
We are inviting BAA members of at least two years’ standing to apply for a BAA Ridley Grant of £400, which will cover 25% of the normal price of an Alpy 600 spectrograph fitted with calibration and guiding modules. The calibration and guiding modules are necessary for productive use of the spectrograph. Shelyak will offer a matching 25% discount on their list price to participants in this scheme so in effect the equipment will be available to BAA members at half price. As Shelyak are based in France their equipment is priced in Euros, so there may be small changes in the sterling price as exchange rates vary. At the time of writing the list price of the Alpy 600 with calibration and guiding modules is 2125 Euros.
Ridley Grant conditions can be found on the BAA webpage https://britastro.org/about-grants together with a link to download the application form. Please note that a description of the intended use of the equipment and the BAA Observing Section(s) to which results will be sent should be supplied with the completed form. We expect these spectrographs to be put to productive use.
For those wanting more technical information about the Alpy, there are links to User Guides for all three components on the User Documentation section of the Shelyak website at http://www.shelyak.com/dossier.php?id_dossier=40&lang=2. Some examples of what can be achieved with the Alpy 600 can be found on Christian Buil’s website at http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/alpy600/first_light.htm. Many of the spectra which have been submitted to the ARAS database at http://www.astrosurf.com/aras/Aras_DataBase/DataBase.htm have been acquired with Alpy spectrographs.
In addition to purchasing the spectrograph, participants in the scheme will need two CCD cameras, one for recording spectra and one for acquiring guiding images. You may already have suitable cameras but the two ranges most frequently used with this spectrograph are those from Starlight Xpress and Atik, so as part of this initiative we have also negotiated discounts for suitable CCD cameras from both suppliers. Details of these discounts are available in another post on this Forum. These discounts will only be available to those participating in the Alpy purchase scheme with the aid of a Ridley Grant.
I should stress that cameras from either supplier will work well with the Alpy. Depending on which cameras you use, you will need appropriate adapters to connect these to the spectrograph. Shelyak will advise you and can supply these.
Prospective users should have a telescope mounting capable of guiding on a star for several minutes. Spectra are normally recorded as a series of spectral images of several minutes each which are later combined in software. The Alpy will work with any telescope with a focal ratio between F/4 and F/10. Optimal transmission of light into the spectrograph occurs at F/5. If desired a focal reducer can be used in front of the spectrograph to reduce the telescope focal ratio but a high quality focal reducer should be used as poor chromatic correction will adversely affect the spectrum.
We intend to run a hands-on training course later in the year once the spectrographs have been delivered to help people get up to speed in using the equipment and in learning how to process their spectral images. This Spectroscopy area within the BAA Forum is for members to share information and ask questions about all aspects of spectroscopy.
Applications using the Ridley Grant application form should be sent to the Business Secretary, BAA, Burlington House, Piccadilly, London W1J 0DU. The closing date for applications under this initiative is 2016 June 30.
It would be helpful if members interested in purchasing a spectrograph through this initiative could email me using the Send Email button (to the left of the post) at an early stage so we have an indication of the likely take-up. At the moment we are not imposing a limit on the number of purchases which we will support, but we reserve the right to introduce a limit if the number of applicants is very high. Any questions about the operation of the scheme should also be addressed to me.
David Boyd
Hi, last night I attempted to observe visually the double star 78 Ursa Major using a two-slit interference mask. The intent was to use separation of the slits to determine the sub-arc second separation of the double. The image through the eyepiece was as expected, the usual diffraction pattern had the broad undulations with sub-undulations in accordance with the ratio of the slit separation to slit length. The separation of the two slits was such that for a suitable rotation of the mask the interference pattern for the double should have minimised (slits perpendicular to the axis of the binary). However, when on axis, the diffraction pattern wouldn’t minimise no matter the rotation of the mask. In other words, the diffraction pattern fine structure remained visible. However, I noted that the star disappeared from view completely when the star was off axis by about 2/3 of the way out to the edge of the fov but would re-appear further out and closer in (like there was a blind spot in the telescope). Can anyone help me understand this observation of its disappearance? For instance, could it be the experiment was working but that the lack of correct collimation meant the pattern disappearance happened off axis? (if you see what I mean). Thanks.
I am finding it difficult to focus properly across the whole image with the subject set-up (scope is a William Optics 71mm refractor). Using Live view on my Canon 550D camera to focus at the centre of the image I found that stars in the corners were out of focus.
Bench testing using pinholes in a black card at approx 8m from the telescope showed that focusing at the corners of the image gave a slightly better but not perfect result.
Chip to FF distance and length of FF plus T ring appear correct according to the WO Flattener 6A Usage Chart.
Any suggestions as to how to achieve a good focus would be much appreciated.
Regards
Is there any reason why a Alt – Az goto mount cannot be used for DSLR photometry? I know there will be field rotation but for short exposures (30sec) I don’t think it should have a detrimental effect on the photometry.
The reason I ask is that I have just ungraded to a CCD camera on my telescope / EQ mount and was thinking about using both this and my DSLR (with telephoto lens) at the same time, to take time series of eclipsing binaries. I can get a new alt – az goto mount for about £220 much cheaper and smaller than a second goto EQ mount.
James
At 8 PM last night (Wednesday 4 November) Channel 4 showed episode 4 of “Restoring Britain’s Landmarks”, entitled “Telescopes, Stargazing and a Copper Mine”. Don’t worry if you missed it; it’s repeated at 7 PM this Sunday (November 8th)
My TV guide summarised the contents as “John Evetts hunts for the perfect antique telescope, Anna Keay digs for story behind the mysterious Victorian star-gazer Dr Bangay. And there’s a refurb at a copper mine”
https://twitter.com/dgs99/status/593472439809617920 is a tweet from David Strange showing Allan Chapman at the Norman Lockyer Observatory, Sidmouth, during the filming of the program.
The observatory is at Belmont House, Lyme Regis, which was the home of Dr. Richard Bangay, a BAA member in the first half of the twentieth century (proposed 1905 June 28, elected 1905 July 18, died 1931).
Caroline Kennett, the SHA county co-ordinator for Dorset, has asked me if anyone in the BAA knows any more about Dr Bangay. All we can find in the Journal on him are his nomination and election, and a list of books donated to the BAA by his daughter after Bangay’s death. Please contact me if you know anything about his BAA career.
Mike Frost
Historical Section Director
Looking to spend max of £500 on the subject telescope. Suggestions appreciated.
Regards
Topic: Refining Spectrograph Setup
With only a few days to go until the BAA spectroscopy workshop at the Norman Lockyer observatory this Saturday, I thought I’d post a few of my latest spectra.
Here are 4 high resolution spectra of the hydrogen alpha emission line from the B1I star Kappa Cassiopeia. This emission line comes from a high velocity stellar wind which can reach around 1000 km/s.
These spectra were taken on 4 nights in late September. I used them to refine the setup of my LHIRES III spectrograph. The first spectrum on 22nd looks quite noisy, while by the final one on 30th the signal is strong with low noise. I was adjusting the main mirror position, telescope focus and guide focus to improve the light thoughput which increased the signal.
Though the early spectra are more noisy there does appear to be a change in the profile over a few days. A star I’ll be watching closely!

Cheers,
Andy




